>>> coming up next on "arizona horizon," the director of the department of corrections discusses an investigation into a troubled for-profit prison in kingman. >>> also tonight, congressman raul grijalva will join us in studio.
>>> and we'll check out a first-of-its-kind 3d printed car developed locally. those stories next on "arizona horizon." >>> "arizona horizon" is made possible by contributions from the friends of eight, members of your arizona pbs station.
thank you. >>> good evening and welcome to "arizona horizon," i'm ted simons. the state yesterday cut ties with the operator of a private prison near kingman, this after the department of corrections released a scathing report on
prison operations. the report was ordered after a riot early last month that injured 16 people and caused major damage to the facility. joining us now is the arizona director charles ryan. good to have you on the program, thanks for joining us.
>> you're welcome. >> the report, what did it look at, what did it find? >> it looked at the leadership of the prison, how that prison responded to the riots, it looked at pre-service and in-service training, it looked at communication between
management supervisors and line staff of the population. it was i believe a very complete and overall assessment of that prison. >> and what did you find? >> we found many deficiencies, particularly in the area of communication, trying to resolve
issues within a population. staff was not communicative with the population. we found that information was withheld from the department. as an example, in the area of training, we have a 280-hour preservice training academy that they are required to put their
officers through. one major deficiency that frankly was very startling, crisis intervention is a two-day block of instruction. it's 16 hours. it basically is intended to teach people how to deal with conflict and how to defuse
situations. they reduced that to 90 minutes. >> was this disorganization, these curiosities, if you will, were these something -- was mtc trying to cut corners here? could you figure out why these things were done? >> i don't know that i can
respond to why they were doing it but it, in fact, had occurred. there were many shortcomings and failures on the part of this company, and it's very disheartening to learn that. >> the company management and training corporation or mtc as
we'll refer to it, what kind of oversight did this prison have? >> the department has a monitoring team to oversee contract compliance and to try to verify that they are complying with the department's policy. now, many of the functions of
the monitoring teams are statutory in nature. for example, the classification of inmates, inmate discipline, grievance, time computations, background checks, the privates are precluded from doing that. it begs i think the question that has been asked why didn't
they detect that this might be forthcoming? well, i think part of that is information was withheld. and that's very disappointing. for another example, the working of overtime. in the department, our policy is three shifts per week can be
worked on overtime and we do that in some prisons based on need. there appeared to be unlimited and inconsistent overtime being worked at this particular the other thing that we found was that the two units operated independently of each other
instead of being part of a complex and serving the greater good of that prison as a whole. >> you mentioned information was withheld and i know a lot of folks were wondering with your department having oversight over the facility, why was this not found and it sounds like you
think mtc deceived the doc to a certain extent, the department of corrections, how was the department deceived to such an extent? >> the information relative to the training frankly was not detected. the monitors had to sign off and
approve the fact that they would conduct training but they were not sitting in the classrooms, observing the instruction being delivered. is that something that we will consider as we conduct the assessments of all the other private prisons?
the answer is yes. >> as far as those other private prisons, what about them? what condition are they in and what is the oversight finding there? because they could be hiding things, as well. >> we started the review
process, the assessment process of the other private prisons last week. the first was the dui facility here in phoenix, the morana private prison is under review as we speak this week. in the next two or three weeks, the remaining private prisons
will also be evaluated. then we're going to look at those assessments and then determine what steps do we need to take to further modify our approach to monitoring? >> critics and i'm sure you've heard this now, you've been at the helm, this major riot, also
at the helm when there was an escape of three prisoners who committed a double murder while they were out there. but you were at the helm for both of these and they say that you have responsibility here, that there should be some sort of punishment, reprimand,
firing, what have you. how do you respond to that? >> i serve at the pleasure of the governor. the governor has the report. he has been briefed. i believe governor ducey is satisfied with the quality and the thoroughness of our
investigation and if there are other issues, i'm certain that the governor would share those with me and maybe give me additional direction. >> for those who say the department has oversight over this facility and this was just mayhem there earlier last month,
if not you, someone in the department needs to be held responsible or accountable for this. it doesn't sound like anyone is going to be punished or reprimanded. >> at this point in time, i don't see that there's a need to
hold anybody accountable in terms of discipline or punishment. five years ago, there were employees of the department that were dismissed and fired for their shortcomings relevant to that escape. i have not found evidence that
our staff is derelict. is it concerning that they were not able to detect it? it is. and so it's causing us as a department to take a much closer look at how we monitor and what modifications will be made to the contracts, compelling the
operators to be more forthcoming with information and reporting requirements that we can then verify. and one of those, for example, is the training i just described. >> as far as for-profit prisoners in general, what are
your thoughts? it sounds like the governor is going to replace mtc in kingman with another for-profit enterprise. what are you thoughts on private prisons? >> private prisons serve a purpose in the department of
corrections in arizona for medium and minimum-security populations. probably if you will the biggest benefit from my vantage point is they go ahead and build the facility and through a per diem, the department over time will end up owning the facility.
>> but for those who are uncomfortable with the justice system being involved with a for-profit enterprise, they don't see the correlation there, the balance there, justice system, for-profit. how do you address those concerns?
>> i don't see that the taxpayers can foot the bill to build our way out of the prison system. we have, if you will, just under 43,000 inmates statewide in all the prisons. we have just a little over 42,000 beds.
about 6,000 of those beds are what's called temporary. in other words, bunk beds that we placed in dormitories and that has been the department's answer to dealing with overcrowding. it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars to go ahead
and replace all these private prisons with state-funded facilities. >> last question. are you confident that public safety is being served right now by the state prison system? >> yes, i am. >> even after what we saw up in
kingman? >> nobody escaped. nobody got killed. the inmates were retained inside the perimeter and the department's employees helped regain control. the 120 people that responded from throughout the state.
>> and i'll follow that up because mtc has come out and said the reaction by the state in their minds delayed getting that thing quelled. they're saying that they could have done a good job if they had been left alone to do their job. they called your report flawed.
how do you respond? >> that may be their opinion. we don't agree. >> it's good to have you here. thanks for joining us. >>> get the inside scoop on what's happening at arizona pbs. become an eight insider.
you'll receive weekly updates on the most anticipated upcoming programs and events. get the eight insider delivered to your e-mail inbox. visit azpbs.org to sign up today. >>> congressman raul grijalva represents arizona's third
congressional district in southern arizona. representative grijalva joins us now to discuss the proposed nuclear deal with iran and the ever-evolving democratic race for president. good to see you again. >> thank you.
>> you are against the nuclear deal with iran or for it? what's your position? >> i'm for it. >> why? >> very much so. it's a diplomatic opportunity, five plus one, the major powers led by the united states, have
come to this agreement. iran has signed on and i think it gives us an opportunity to defang iran. i'm not naive. iran is not a good player globally and they've been responsible for creating problems in other parts of the
world, but the issue, how do we make sure that they can't build nuclear weapons? i think that first 15 years of the treaty gives us that assurance. the next period of time, the united nations and the continued presence of the united states in
those inspections which have been going on ever since i think begins to provide us with an opportunity to make sure that there's no proliferation of nuclear weapons by iran. >> those against the deal say it ties the hands of congress. they got a point?
>> well, i don't think -- we have -- we have an opportunity to vote up or down on this. there is no hand tying on this agreement. these international agreements of this kind and this magnitude have been done by republican and democratic presidents in the
past and the ratification has been up to congress. we are not the ones intimately involved in how that deal went down. i think it is a balanced deal. is there risk involved? yes. but creating, doing nothing at
this point leaves us with one option and an option and a half and that is to prepare for military intervention. >> again, those against the deal say it's too hard to respond if this deal goes through, too hard to respond if iran starts doing bad things in the region and
getting their fingers in the wrong places and everyone gets upset with them. if we try to challenge that then all of a sudden, the deal falls through. they say it's actually in the agreement's fine print. >> no, i disagree.
i think that iran, even with the money they receive as a result of the sanctions being lifted have to take care of their population. unemployment, 50% among the young. the lack of basic nutrition in the country.
oil subsidies collapsed. they have to rebuild the nation and that's where the emphasis is going to be. as far as them being bad players, we have the united nations and those five other nations that are committed to the fact that the role that iran
plays in the future is a non-nuclear country with no threat of being able to do that. >> non-nuclear is one direction, but the other direction is funding terrorist groups and doing other nefarious activities and again the critics will say you start challenging on that
end, they're going to start saying that the deal on that end is invalid. >> i think that the deal on that end in terms of iran's responsibility is to be a better player but a lot of that is going to happen as a result of them rebuilding their nation and
the population itself, which the vast majority is young, is looking forward to the opportunity to join the world again and for us to say that this incident could happen, iran has been a bad player since they occupied the embassy and for people to say that that's going
to change overnight, no. but the 15-year period gives us an opportunity we don't have. >> so for those who say it gives too much leverage to iran, you say... >> not at all. they have to produce for their people and they produce for
their people without threatening the region with nuclear arms. >> would you rather see the treaty as opposed to this? >> i think this agreement has a better chance of being sustained by congress, a treaty in the long term i think would have been a mechanism that would have
been impossible to get to. >> something else you're very involved in right now is this land and water conservation fund. what are we talking about here? >> we're talking about a fund that needs to be reauthorized, that has the fund from which
money derived from royalties on public land has been used primarily for the acquisition of additional private land, like we have expansions that are needed and there's in-holdings and willing sellers, to be able to do that, water conservation has been essential in maintaining
the quality of our national parks system which has been cut dramatically in the last six years. now, we've been waiting and the authorization ends september 30th. we have a piece of legislation that we introduced, my office
introduced 140 signatures, 11 republicans on that piece of legislation, and we hope the chairman of the committee, mr. bishop, would at least allow a hearing and allow us the opportunity to reauthorize this which has been essential in the maintenance and the enhancement
of our national parks system. >> park service, forest service, these are royalties from offshore oil drilling? >> primarily. >> yet those against the deal say the government already can't handle what it's already got. why are we adding more?
>> it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, you keep cutting away at the maintenance budget of the lands, you keep not funding fire suppression the way it should be and taking it out of the forest service budget that is used for other purposes, yes of course, you begin to shrink the budget
of the national parks system and we're approaching our centennial to celebrate. this would be a good time, reauthorize this, go into the centennial. >> should the reauthorization emphasize upkeep more? there's $11.5 billion of
maintenance back log out there. there are those saying let's take care of that before we start acquiring more. >> i don't think it's simply an acquisition. it's making sure our waterways are clean, it's making sure that acquisitions in the future are
from willing sellers. the fund has been primarily dedicated to that purpose. i think shifting it to making it an maintenance and operation of the parks system i think is wrong. that is a congressional obligation that we need to fund
to make up that back log. i think it's wrong to use that fund to pay off the rural schools as part of what's being recommended. just keep to the essential purpose, let's not undercut and dismantle this fund. >> democratic presidential race.
what are your thoughts? >> i think bernie, senator sanders, has struck a chord within the american people and certainly on the democratic side of the frustration over the economic issues facing us, income inequality, the lack of access, and the control that
wall street has had over the future and the fiscal policy of this nation. i think a legitimate chord has been struck there. hillary going into october, the issues of the e-mail, the issues around that whole situation have to be clarified.
and the budding ambition of the vice-president at this point, wait to be seen but if he gets in, then we now have a very significant three-way race. >> if you have a significant three-way race, is that good for the democrats or does it become destructive if you have that
kind of a competitive primary? >> i think a competitive primary without what happens in these primaries is that the losers pack up and go home. and one thing the democrats don't need in this election is to be disunified when we get to the general election.
so what i would hope the danger for me is that anybody that is not the nominee, that their supporters take their marbles and go home. this is a time where everybody should be very concerned about not losing that very, very important position, which is the
presidency of the united states. you could say the same for the 17 that are running on the republican side. their internal water is going to have ramifications, as well. >> so the biggest issue you think facing democrats in this presidential race?
>> i think it's repairing the social fabric of this country, making sure that our motto from many become one, we need to repair that. we need to invest in our future and education is a key thing. we need to come to grips with climate change but overriding
all that is the issue of income inequality and the fact that the average americans are working 40 hours a week and they can't sustain themselves. >> is there one of those three candidates that suits you best? >> at this point, this is one representative that's keeping
their powder dry for a little while. >> good to have you here. >> thank you very much. >>> tonight's edition of arizona technology and innovation looks at how instant consumer gratification is being addressed by an
arizona-based company that wants to apply that concept to cars. producer christina estes and photographer langston fields show us how. >> behind this glass, a car is being printed. yes, printed.
the company behind the 3d printed technology is local motors. >> a platform like direct digital manufacturing is about exposing technology. >> john rogers, jr. is the ceo and cofounder. while local motors is
headquartered in chandler, the company ignores boundaries. >> more minds are better than one. >> local motors relies on what they call a global co-creation community, an online group of people who help design products that can quickly get to market.
that includes kevin low. he traveled to arizona from his home in washington state to be recognized as a winner of project redacted, a design competition to lay the foundation for the first fleet of road-ready 3d printed cars. >> the way i designed the car is
i spent hours just researching and reading on local motor's community. >> the video shows what the design might look like. >> i didn't give it a name. this car is about the community and customer. they can build and name whatever
they want their car to be. >> one of the big differences is when you're building a standard car, there's a lot of tooling and manual labor that goes into it. there's specific tools to make the frame, the chassis, doing the body with the fiberglass
work. when you're making something this way with the printer, you enter in the model that you want it to build, it prints, takes about 40 hours to print the body, and then from there you can attach the wheels, attach the drive train.
>> in september, 2014, local motors unveiled the stratty, the world's first 3d printed car. >> there's an impressive thing that's gone on with that vehicle, not the least of which is you have a carbon fiber reinforced plastic which is a structural material that is
being bonded in a low-temperature process to a thermoplastic elastomer, squishy material, which allows you to be able to have a bumper or seat or other things like that. >> rogers wants to revolutionize the manufacturing process in two big ways.
through its co-creation community where contributors receive royalties based on sales and through microfactories, small local facilities where cars are built and sold. >> you're going to be able to see these vehicles on the road and in 2016 and that's the
exciting thing. you'll be able to see kevin's vehicle on the road as the first neighborhood electric vehicle using these technologies and you're going to see the first highway-capable vehicles out there and that is an enormous goal for us to go after and we
can't do it alone. our team needs to do it with the community of people out there and so that's how we are going to achieve greatness. >>> local motors estimates its first highway-ready electric car will cost between $25,000 and $30,000, with plans for 100
vehicles around the world in the next decade. the company currently has three micro-factories, including one in chandler. >>> we want to hear from you. submit your questions, comments and concerns via e-mail at arizonahorizon@asu.edu.
>>> friday on "arizona horizon," it's the journalists' roundtable. we'll have more on the controversy over for-profit prisons in arizona. and the state's expansion of medicaid is ruled constitutional.
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